Gemma McSherry

But like you say, we are now seeing people from across the sectarian divide coming out on the streets and taking part in this.

And a lot of that is to do with social media.

People are being taught holistically.

how to be better at being violent.

They are being taught through social media how to organise these gangs and how to go out and make sure that they aren't being caught in what they're doing.

And that is very, very scary.

And that is an escalation of the type of violence that we've been seeing for years.

Completely.

And deprivation is a tool of control within these communities, especially with regards to our unionist politicians in the north.

Our politicians have kept these people and kept these areas deprived for so, so long.

A lot of these people and I, you know, a lot of my family have been I've spent a lot of time in these lawless council states in my childhood.

There was no swing parks.

There was no places to play even football matches in some of them.

But what there was was areas to have bonfires.

So these communities are very, very deprived.

We've also seen in the north that, you know, Catholics or people from Catholic backgrounds now are doing much better in terms of education, in terms of building wealth.

So...

So deprivation is at the heart of all of this.

It's at the heart of why these people want to feel like they're part of something bigger than themselves, bigger than the communities that they grew up in.

I think it's down to the politicians, the unionist politicians.