Gemma McSherry

And I mean, look, I'm not saying that any of these politicians are doing a particularly great job in the North, but the unionist politicians have always ran on a sort of hate-fuelled agenda.

And they know fine rightly that these boys in particular are going to buy into that agenda because it gives them something to belong to.

Yes, I mean, the politicians do a good job of coming out after the event and condemning it.

But this kind of hatred has been, you know, the flames have been found for a very long time.

And there have been warnings that this was getting worse.

And I do think that a lot of these, in particular, the hardline unionist politicians, I think they know fine rightly what they're doing.

Well, we have seen some great interventions before.

For example, the Northern Ireland Women's Coalition was women who came across, have come across the divide.

So there was people from a Protestant background, from a Catholic background, and they came together and they were instrumental in the Good Friday Agreement and the drafting of the Good Friday Agreement to get

women's issues on the table to get children's issues on the table and to kind of take it out of the binary of you know violent men fighting violent men so there have been great initiatives like this in the past unfortunately a lot of the funding has been cut for these sort of community programs but it's really community level intervention that's going to change this and it's going to make things better and like i say a lot of these estates

There is nothing, even the estate that I spent a lot of time in my childhood on, the community centre's gone.

It's been closed down.

So there really needs to be community level intervention and community level support to get these kids off their phones and to try and stop this culture and this generational hate.