Gemma Spake

I think it's the longest episode of this year.

If you've made it to the end, thank you.

I hope it stirred up some thinking for you.

I hope that it taught you something new or just gave you a better bird's eye view of the situation.

I know some of you won't agree with everything that I said.

Totally welcome feedback.

Would love to hear it.

If this is also something that you and your friends have been discussing, like me and my friends, send it to them.

It's still an evolving conversation and I feel like

It's one of those things where we just don't have answers to it.

The only answer is more money and more help, but that's kind of unrealistic.

Besides that, though, if you and your friends, again, have been talking about it, send this episode to them.

Maybe you guys can keep chatting about it.

Me and my friends have actually been doing this thing where we've been doing a podcast book club.

Basically, it's like a book club, but for podcasts where we listen to five

podcast episodes a month and then get together and discuss them.

This can be one of your podcast episodes.

I want to hear your thoughts.

I want to thank our wonderful researcher Libby for her wonderful research contributions to this episode.

She is truly magnificent and she's been doing some work on this very topic