Gemma Speck

That's how they go and do it.

Like totally, kind of totally off topic, not totally, but in a lot of psychological interviews with like serial killers or murderers, this is an explanation that I've seen a lot of them give.

The justification that comes out in a lot of these manifestos and a lot of these interviews is like,

I like it.

I need to be in control.

A lot of these men will be like, as a child, as a kid, I felt like things just happened to me.

That made me angry.

So now it's my turn.

It's my turn to make these bad things happen to other people.

It's this weird universal karma.

Pretty messed up.

Pretty messed up.

But again, shows that you are nothing like these people.

It's good news.

You can't understand them.

It's just, I think that that lack of empathy shows that this is a personal flaw.

Okay.

We're going to take one more little itty bitty short break here before we detail the recovery process from betrayal trauma and where to go from here.

So without further ado, stay with us.

Researchers have developed this thing that I think is incredibly helpful in situations like this and so good to cite in this episode called the betrayal grief cycle.