Geoff Knupfer

Yeah.

They laid on counseling for us all afterwards.

And I can always remember this.

We were in these little syndicates of half a dozen people with a counselor.

And I can always remember this lady saying, you know, she went round and said, has this affected you?

Has this affected you?

And so on and so forth.

And some did and some didn't.

But she said to me, and it's a very simple solution, I suppose.

She said, it's about putting your life in boxes.

And so, you know, what you've got to do is...

Really, I mean, you hear this thing about, well, you can leave it at work.

Well, that's exactly what she was saying, that you put this stuff in a box and you don't let it... Try not to let it affect the rest of your life.

And so I guess I took that on board in 1986, albeit I'd seen stuff before that as well.

And I've tried to keep that in my mind.

So...

it's it's an oversimplification clearly yeah of of how these things work but i think being able to say well that is a process that i i leave there when i close the door on it i will leave it until the door opens again as opposed to taking it home and and having sleepless nights thinking about all this because if if you let this just accumulate it would

I think a mix of both really.

In fairness, there have been no transformations from the 1980s to 2026.

The technology has moved on, that's for sure.