Geoff Shackelford

It's just, but it's a tough case to make.

And that's why I think it's just more important to have bifurcation and special rules for elite competition.

And then if it tends to feed down from there, we know people, there are people who still want to play what the pros play.

and uh not what although that that is also changing if you talk to people the the influencer groups are having more influence on club sales increasingly than the pros which makes the argument against bifurcation even more ridiculous that there's less money going to these guys to endorse this stuff there's

less reason for them to be defending it in the name of selling people what they play.

But it still makes the most sense because every other sport does it.

And again, the safety thing, like I said, the first two holes of Riv, they get bombarded down there in the practice fairway, and it just didn't happen last week because they play a different game even than the women.

Well, if you include people who are somehow tied to the game, top golf people and simulator golfers, yeah, the number's really up there now if you include all that.

That's right.

Yeah, the only thing I disagree on is that I do think when people –

I mean, I just saw it at Riviera.

There were so many kids.

And I do think in the way the women treat the kids, by the way, is just spectacular.

You know, signing autographs, fist bumps.

I mean, Nelly's just fist bumping kids on every day and feeding off that energy.

I do think pro golf has an influence on people playing and loving the game when they come to a tournament in person and see great golf or see people like the women last week and what class acts they are.

Or when they come to the Genesis, they get a little extra excitement watching them play and seeing what guys do.

I think that element, but I agree with you.

The TV part is severely overrated.

It's more of a discussion point, really.