Geoff Shackelford

And that's the biggest problem is you and I will say distance problem and somebody will listen to that and go, what a, what a couple old farts who are just don't like seeing people, the athleticism.

It's not that we're talking about safety issues even before the architecture.

Yeah.

You know, it's, and they will never talk about the safety issue because again, the lawyers have said, well, we could get sued if we acknowledge that it's created safety issues.

Well, I don't want to put a big skeetch mark on the top of your pretty persimmon.

Yeah.

With a smaller head or with the change that they talked about with the driver face?

With the smaller head.

Yeah.

I think the handicapped data backs that up.

Yeah.

You mean zero-torque putters don't make you putt better?

Oh, yeah.

The sweet spot was tiny on that thing.

Greens weren't as good then either.

But yeah.

No, okay.

Well, yeah.

No, and I don't, you know, that's the difficult conversation with the average player is what you've just laid out.

There's definitely some truth to that.