George Butler

People are very emotionally attached to...

Not being able to use chip and pin.

Do you remember we used to have like a card?

You used to put it in one of those streamlined machines.

You might not because you're quite young.

And you used to go, and then you have to just sign it.

And then these chip and pin things came along.

People are like, I'm not tapping my contactless or I'm not using contactless.

You know, people are up in arms.

It's just everyday behavior now.

So every technology shift that comes along, anything that sort of bucks the trend, I think people get a little bit nervous.

I think the one thing with Janine is she is, I think, aware of and seems to be quite comfortable with the criticism.

She's not shying away from it.

You know, she's sort of accepted some of that.

I do think, though, she will pave the way for other people to come through.

And like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if in two years' time we're like, oh, God, when we did that interview, you know, this person who's gone on to become a dame or something like that.

And, you know, she was the frontrunner in the four interviews.

Mother.

Of the way that sort of podcasts, even if we call them podcasts then, are meant to be.

You've got a very raised eyebrow.