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George Church

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Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

So to give an example, AlphaFold...

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

Last time I checked, anyway, at least it's all changed.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

If you substitute an alanine for a serine in a serine protease, it will have exactly the right fold.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

It will be precise to a fraction of an angstrom overall average.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

but it won't function.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

It just won't function.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

And that's where you need either extraordinary precision or just knowledge of what happens evolutionarily or happens in experiments to say that no, an alanine won't work.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

And so I think

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

There's all kinds of combinations of AI tools that can give you deeper insight into that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

I mean, I think the way that it's working now, which will get us a long way, won't get us the whole way, is we have something that kind of works, and we make libraries inspired by that, make variations on it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

And then whichever of those variations work, we make variations on that, and we can just keep going.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

It's kind of like the way evolution worked, except different.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

Now we can do it at incredibly high speeds.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

And in principle, evolution might incorporate a few base pair changes in a million years.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

Now we can make billions of changes in an afternoon.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

And it's all guided in such a way that you get rid of the wastefulness of having a bunch of neutral mutations and a bunch of lethal mutations.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

You can have things that are quasi-neutral but likely to be game-changing, have more of a focus on those.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

Another thing that's been missing and none of the

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

AI protein design tools that I know of are particularly good at it yet, but we're trying to, as we speak, trying to improve this, is non-standard amino acids.

Dwarkesh Podcast
George Church โ€” A Billion Years of Evolution in a Single Afternoon

Because a lot of these tools depend on having libraries of 3D structures which use 20 amino acids and large language models where you line up all the sequences of 20 amino acids.