George Frazier

So I think the majority of use for agents in five years is going to be the same interfaces that humans are using just because it's a long tail of integration has already been solved and like all the protections and all the sharing and everything else.

And would you say the majority would be through APIs that are kind of more of a traditional computer software system?

What do you think about things like these technologies that mediate DAO, like MCP, which have emerged to kind of try and solve that problem?

Do you think there's a future for those, or do you think that those just give way to strict tool API usage?

And this is authorization, authentication authorization and discoverability, like the fact that these things exist.

And the thing that I find so strange about this is like even the tool use itself, like you could argue that like as smarter models come out, they could build better tools anyways.

And so sometimes I wonder if like

Like, an agent should just be the most minimal thing ever.

Like, it manages, like, durable state.

It manages compute.

And then, you know, you run, like, whatever, like the Anthropic SDK or the OpenAI SDK, and then you just tell it to build its own tools.

Like, you know, build your connection to this.

No, it's exactly how it works right now.

But you could argue that, like, there's so much money being poured into these foundation models, like tens of billions of dollars may become hundreds of billions.

So the most intelligent thing at any point on the planet is one of these models.

So why would you use an old tool if it could build a better tool?

I debugged NanoClaw.

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Yes, you go.

Just to maybe wrap this bit up.