George Knapp

And inevitably, you heard these stories, though people were reluctant to share them initially,

that seemed to confirm something really weird was going on there, is going on there.

It's not just myth.

It's not just made-up stories or fantastical dreams that people have had.

These things are real and measurable and did happen, right?

It's sort of the brilliance of OSAP that you were willing to follow the evidence wherever it led and were willing to share the information no matter how crazy it sounds.

Because let's say that was a government program.

You think those reports would have bubbled to the surface or they would?

Well, a $50 gold piece from 100 years ago.

Back to the money.

Sorry.

At the ranch.

So one of the things that's in this new book, Future Visions, is you verify that there were unusual electromagnetic signals that seem to be emanating from the mesa at the ranch, which is very consistent with what the TV show is pursuing these days.

And at the same time, in the same section of the book, you say that there were countermeasures taken by OSAP, BAS, to see if you could figure out

if somebody, some human agency was messing with you, can you share with us the nature of the signals that you detected and whether the countermeasures that were taken, how they worked and were they related to that signal coming from the Mesa?

There were some amazing experiments that were undertaken and questions that remain at the ranch.

And we've talked about some of them before, but I started this part of the conversation by asking about the electromagnetic signals that seem to be coming from the Mesa.

Did you ever figure out what those were and why was it worth pursuing?

Was it because they're transitory?

They're there one day and gone the next?