George Saunders

That schmuck died, but you're not going to, that feeling.

And then also, I think that feeling that you're separate, that you are David.

And everyone else is not.

So all of those, I think, are pretty, I mean, they're physical.

They're Darwinian.

It makes sense.

But they're all untrue.

So death is the moment when somebody comes and says, you know, those three things that you've always thought of, I have to tell you, they're not true.

You're not permanent.

You're not the most important thing.

And you're not separate.

So that's, I know, I just can't.

I think about it a lot, I think.

But I don't find it a more – I find it kind of a joyful thing because it's just a reality check.

Well, I think probably it's just any instance when you step out of those three delusions that we just talked about.

I don't know about afterlife.

I don't know about that.

But I think any moment, even in this life, when you get clear of that trio of delusions, you're saved.

Because then what's to be afraid of?

I mean, the reason I don't want to die is because I'm me, right?