George Saunders

And just slightly put your hand on that and say, you know,

As an older person, this is really resonant to me.

This really is beautiful.

In order to give them permission to come out of the protectionism of being perma-edgy.

So it's a really beautiful job.

Do you ever get who they are wrong?

Um, I don't think... Only because I don't really enforce it much.

I think the more gently you do the work, the less likely you are to mess somebody up, you know?

Whereas sort of an old model was, I know who's got what, you know?

I can identify the one.

You don't have it, kid.

And I really don't like that.

It just forestalls so many possibilities.

And I can remember times in my life where...

If an authority figure had read my work, they'd have gone, oh, no, no, no, no.

You just go back to engineering.

So I'd rather miss some opportunities and do less.

than be Mr. Confidence and squash somebody.

Yeah, because actually, you know, what was interesting is when I started to read about it in the Buddhist tradition, that word just means cause and effect.

So it just means the ultimate cause and effect that's at play.