George Saunders

That's the book.

Some people that I've talked to, they're reading the book and they think I'm endorsing Jill's position, which I'm 100% not.

Yeah.

And I think when you love somebody, like you love your kids, it becomes kind of beautifully true.

It becomes beautiful, yes.

If the person that you love has this tendency, the judgment kind of goes away.

It's just something to accommodate and even be fond of.

So I think that's...

That's kind of Jill's thing.

And she came to it in a moment of kind of trauma and inspiration.

And you know how sometimes you have such a peak experience that you attempt to recreate it or you think, well, that felt so deep to me.

It must be true.

And that's how I understand her.

She's got that.

She's had that experience.

And now in her horror, really, to find that at 22, she's dead, you know.

she's clinging to that idea and she's in a sense hiding behind it.

So I think that's why I kind of loved about her was that she, she's in a real fix, you know, but I, I see her as primarily kind of fearful, you know, fearful to come out of that position.

What does comfort mean to you?

Truth.