George Saunders

You know, if you and I are in a cabin and we can hear there are wolves outside...

You know, if I say, it's cool, they're probably, you know, dogs, that's not comfort.

But if you look at each other and go, fuck, there's wolves, that's comfort.

But she doesn't have the capability to communicate that to him.

But you seek comfort for it in your work every day.

You come into work and you try to get to the bottom of complicated things and you're seeking comfort.

But you're seeking, in biological terms, you're seeking homeostasis.

That might be right.

No, you want to...

Calm yourself, comfort yourself by getting in closer relation to the truth so the world doesn't seem so anarchic.

And that's, can I say, that's the inverse or the shadow side of, of this elevation idea.

Jill believes in that.

Then I'd like to hear your, your description of, of what will Jill elevations and how Jill refers to this, uh, luminous event that she had and her death where she understands people as, as inevitable occurrences.

But that is another way.

I think I haven't really thought through this, but of, of saying grace, um,

That everything is okay.

That ultimately you're not to blame and you're not to praise.

You're just an embodiment of God's will.

Something like that, you know.

I'm not sure.