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George Saunders

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2018 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Because if you think of, now this is getting a little deep, but I think if you say...

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

That's my hope.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Yeah, yeah.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Here's a question.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Have you ever been comforted by a falsehood?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Yes.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Which one?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Because you're working on it together.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

In a sense, what you're saying is, I will be well.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And I think that that's the form of you extending grace to him, which isn't exactly truthful.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

The spell isn't exactly truthful, but the substrate or the sort of foundation of the spell is true.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

There is, but where she gets into trouble, and again, I discovered this about halfway through.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

If you are beating the shit out of another human being and I say to you, Ezra, I'm here and I love you.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

that's bullshit.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

That's false.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So, so you, I think in her situation, she says, I'm here and I love you and I don't care what you did.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Okay.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Now from his point of view, I'd say KJ Boone does, he knows what he did and he cares.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And as the book goes on, he's increasingly tormented by this denial.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So I think in there, certainly saying, I love you.