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George Saunders

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2018 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So the idea that there's physical suffering is,

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And then there's the suffering of denial on top of it.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

You know, and we all know that.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Like if your leg hurts, but you can't let it hurt, it kind of hurts more, you know?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So I think that's what in the book, the Frenchman correctly posits that if they could just get Boone to say, yeah, I lied.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

I really did.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

I'm sorry.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

That that would represent a better state of being for him than the one in which he actually dies and which he continues to deny it.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So that's the truth.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

I think there has to be, yeah.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

You have to be in relation to what you actually did.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So sin, I mean, it's a word I brought from my Catholic childhood.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

But now I understand it as, I mean, it can be so infinitesimal.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

You're feeling X and you say you're feeling X prime.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Hmm, that's going to cause you a little pain.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

You know, that's the idea.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And yeah, that's sin.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And that's the sin.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Now the characters will use that word often.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

The Frenchman, you know, he died in 1890 or something, so he's using it in a traditional sense, but I think it's compatible with this other sense.