George Saunders

Yes.

Just a couple of years after he turned Catholic?

It is interesting.

And as a writer, that's such rich stuff to go towards that which you don't understand and vow not to falsify it in either direction.

Just look at it, look at it, look at it.

That's rich.

I think so, yeah.

I mean, the kindest thing...

I made that one speech, you know, and, and I, I stand behind it, but it was kind of a simple.

Right.

No.

And also the speech says, the speech says I, I suck at kindness and it's, it's too bad, you know?

So then of course, the way that things work is you talk about, if we had to talk about squirrels and I, and I said, I really love squirrels.

That's going to show up in the next seven interviews.

So let's talk about your relation to squirrels.

So it does kind of, it's sort of replicates, you know, and I'm, uh,

Certainly for kindness, and I try to be nice, and I try to have good public manners.

But in truth, it starts to work into people's interpretation of your work.

As if that's what I'm trying to do, is model kindness in my work, which is so far from the truth of what I'm doing.

to anger i have it all the time i've had a like a rough couple years and we had a lot of illness in the family and dogs sick and all kinds of weird things and most days i'm just a little agitated and kind of uh entitled and pissed off you know a lot of days i'm struggling with that so in in the buddhist tradition that's the course i mean you have negative emotions who doesn't