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George Saunders

πŸ‘€ Speaker
2546 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And I could feel it.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

I could viscerally feel it.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Yeah, yeah.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

I mean, again, in the local sense...

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

I think about when our kids were little and I was working and it was a great job, fine, tech writer, you know.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

But, and this is maybe a fact of contemporary life, for 10 hours a day, I was doing something that had no relation to anything that I cared about, except providing for, you know.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

So within that workspace, I would do whatever, I was photocopying, I was, you know, mopping up spills.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

I mean, it didn't really matter, writing technical reports.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And so when I think about that thundering of the body, I think of that.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Now, again, it's part of this huge system that you're alluding to.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

But I think for the individual, the journey through capitalism, and especially I think in my lifetime, it's become one of increasingly handing over everything to sustenance.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

And as corporations become so powerful, the feeling that...

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

I want to have you read one more part from actually that same page that I think also gets at an interesting way in which you make this argument through his voice.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Right.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Whereas nowadays, folks padded past climate-controlled cases of out-of-season vegetables and fish from faraway seas and meat from animals who fed in meadows under mountain ranges whose names a person could hardly pronounce, thinking, yap, yap, yap, big deal, pork from Denmark, salmon from the Bering Strait, loaves of woven bread from Ferrara.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

All of this is my right, when what it was was a goddamn miracle.

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

How had that bounty made its way here?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Did it walk?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Just magically appear?

The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin

Go waltz on someone else's feet, Henri.