George Saunders

Right, right.

I was thinking when our kids were little, we lived in Syracuse and there's this incredible store called Wegmans.

And you'd go in there and it was just, it was like Bosch painting of bounty, you know.

And...

So, yeah, I mean, I'm big into contradictions.

And so the idea that all of that, you know, it doesn't just magically appear, I agree with him, you know.

The part of me that I summoned there was the part that says, yeah, well, okay, let's get rid of oil.

Let's see what happens, you know.

And, you know, and the real life correlators of these guys, they made a lot of hay out of that idea that,

If we eliminate oil, which I don't think anyone's really calling for that, but if you do that, you end up with a punishment of the poor, primarily.

That was one of the big lines in the 90s, you know, who suffers the most, the poor.

If you disrupt the supply chains, disrupt things as they are.

The rich people are going to, okay, but the poor are going to suffer.

That was the line anyway.

Yes.

And let me... Okay, so I think we have maybe different approaches based on our abilities.

And my ability to think larger and more abstract is not so good.

So for me, when I think about... I agree with what you said about wants.

And so what I think is...

within the individual person as personified in a character, or just the individual person.