George Saunders

And that's how I understand her.

She's got that.

She's had that experience.

And now in her horror, really, to find that at 22, she's dead, you know.

she's clinging to that idea and she's in a sense hiding behind it.

So I think that's why I kind of loved about her was that she, she's in a real fix, you know, but I, I see her as primarily kind of fearful, you know, fearful to come out of that position.

What does comfort mean to you?

Truth.

You know, if you and I are in a cabin and we can hear there are wolves outside...

You know, if I say, it's cool, they're probably, you know, dogs, that's not comfort.

But if you look at each other and go, fuck, there's wolves, that's comfort.

But she doesn't have the capability to communicate that to him.

But you seek comfort for it in your work every day.

You come into work and you try to get to the bottom of complicated things and you're seeking comfort.

But you're seeking, in biological terms, you're seeking homeostasis.

That might be right.

No, you want to...

Calm yourself, comfort yourself by getting in closer relation to the truth so the world doesn't seem so anarchic.

And that's, can I say, that's the inverse or the shadow side of, of this elevation idea.

Jill believes in that.