George Saunders

So kindness is,

wouldn't have to be tidy and mincing.

It's something else.

And so I almost feel like striking that word from my personal vocabulary, because it's confusing.

But so if you have anger, then I would say the primary thing is to go, yeah,

You know, it's almost like if you had hunger, what would it be like to go, oh, no, I'm not hungry because that's not virtuous.

You're hungry.

That's all right.

And then so if you're angry, then I think the idea would be to think about, well, one, controlling it.

I mean, that's okay.

It's okay to control your anger.

And then also to think about the source of it and so on, all those kind of things we all do.

That could be construed as ultimately a form of kindness because you're dealing with what is truth.

You know, I had a young woman come up at this event, and she said –

I'm, I can't write because I'm so anxious.

And she was so, so sweet and so heartfelt about it.

And you can see she was really struggling.

And I thought, well, okay.

And I said, well, what if you, if you said.

If I wasn't so anxious, I couldn't write.