Gerald Butts

Absolutely.

And does the yes side to whatever question is

any strategy, can that deliver results somewhere in the mid-30s?

Yeah, absolutely.

And once that happens, that changes the facts of life in Canadian politics.

And the country as a whole is permanently weaker than, at least permanently for the purposes of our lifetimes, weaker because it's a fact on the ground.

It's a new fact on the ground that has to be accommodated in just about every

provinces, Alberta and all of the provinces in Alberta and the federal government.

So I worry about it a lot.

I think that I appreciate Premier Kenny doing, former Premier Kenny doing what he's doing.

I would also say, and James probably doesn't want to say this, though I suspect he would agree with it, there are a lot of people on the yes side who'd be cheering on Jason Kenny's involvement in this referendum campaign because he

is, at least in their view, part of the problem.

It's not quite as if Justin Trudeau were leading the no side.

But, you know, it's probably a quarter turn there.

And their style of politics is to demonize people, make them

like their public enemy number one and then ride the negativity of that brand to build excitement for their own cause.

And Jason, unfortunately, is an avatar of that on the ground in Alberta.

So I really hope that people who are a little bit farther removed from daily politics who command respect in all walks of life,

former politicians I named former Prime Minister Harper because he's he still enjoys such great standing amongst a broad swath of Albertans and I suspect he'd be one of the few Canadians who could be persuasive to the Albertans who are on the fence about this and and every vote matters if

in the low 20s, then that's one fact on the ground.