Gerald Butts

But if it comes in in the low to mid 30s, that's a whole other set of facts on the ground that we'll be dealing with in a most unproductive way at the worst possible time.

And whenever, sorry, just to finish on that point, James, whenever you're about to engage in something that benefits your enemies, you always have to wonder about your enemy's involvement in bringing you to that point.

in the first place.

And I, for one, am not conspiratorially minded, but it would not surprise me at all if in the hot wash, as the spooks would say after this event is over, we find out that the MAGA movement was involved in this, the Russians were involved in this, the Chinese were involved in this.

None of that would surprise me if we found out that they were amplifying

the forces that would seek to break this great country apart.

Especially when two of those months are in the summer.

Yeah, I think you really do have to be careful in the attitude you convey.

And there's nothing that the forces that want to tear the country apart would prefer to see more than a negatively emotional Mark Carney get involved in this.

Our listeners would expect me to say this, Peter, but I think he's done a very good job of resisting those forces since he's been prime minister.

I also think the way he conducts himself in office is the opposite of what the secessionists in Alberta or anywhere else would prefer to see from a prime minister.

They would like to see a Canadian prime minister that feels remote and distant and out of touch

and I think Prime Minister Carney has done an admirable job of not giving them that caricature to campaign against which is why Ottawa is the problem in the eyes of the movement in Alberta and not Prime Minister Carney and having that generalized and not personalized and the person who happens to have the privilege of holding the office at any given moment I think is really productive and helpful as for your direct question is that will the Prime Minister get involved I

I think the prime minister is already involved.

And you could see this in the question he got asked when he was installing our new governor general, or at least announcing the imminent installation of our new governor general.

He was asked about this issue.

topic in general.

And he talked about how there are laws that govern this kind of thing in the country and that we agreed to pass those laws as a parliament together, what, 30 years ago now, so that we wouldn't face the chaos we almost faced in the aftermath.

of the Quebec vote in 1995.

So there are laws.