Gerald Butts

And I'll confess, I tried to get to run for us in 2015, and he wasn't ready to enter public life.

It turns out he's a new Democrat.

I think that one of the best things about this country is partisan adhesion is not very strong.

So who knows what happens?

I certainly didn't know he was going to run for the new Democratic Party in Manitoba and wouldn't have cared anyway.

But he just seems to be a real dude.

He seems like a real guy and a real person who says what he thinks and backs it up with actions.

Politics is not rocket science at the end of the day.

Well, because, you know, we're still a country, we're still the country that the United States sometimes used to pretend to be, which is that you can be from anywhere and end up premier of Ontario or premier of Manitoba or prime minister of Canada.

And if you want to change things, there's still no better avenue to do it.

I think the advice I always give people is when you do get into politics, and WAB's a great example of this, the premier's a great example of this,

You better know who you are when you get in because you're sure going to find out afterward.

And you don't want to be the last person to know.

And I think Wab, he knows who he is.

And he sounds like what he's saying comes from a deep set of convictions and not something his staff read to him that they heard in a focus group last night.

And I think that that is...

That's the key to success in politics.

And if if you don't have that deep conviction and if you don't have something you want to accomplish and a way you want to talk about it, then it isn't for you.

And we've talked about this many times on this podcast.

The advice I got from my aunt, Sister Peggy, way back in the day is.