Gerard Barron

But a lot of the other metals in the system don't get recycled, or they have a much longer life.

So I can see in decades to come that we will not be in the business of picking up rocks.

We'll be in the business of purely recycling the metals that we previously sold.

And that's a good day because that's going to be a great thing for planet Earth, an amazing thing.

We've done the calculations and it's a big number.

It's a big number.

I think if we use a trusted source, say the International Energy Agency or the World Bank, they pretty well align.

They say we need to increase extractive industries by between four and 500% per annum by 2040.

four to five times more mining by 2040 to meet the needs.

Wow, that's a lot.

It's a lot.

And I think that that's where people don't give enough attention to where the materials are coming from.

you know, for the electric car battery that you're using or your iPhone battery or just generally stuff.

You know, if it ain't grown, it's mined.

It's that simple.

And of course, we've been talking in the recent years all about AI and, you know, bits.

You know, it's the bit economy.

But actually, it's time for atoms, you know, because reindustrialization is going to depend on the atoms that are contained in here, the real world infrastructure.

And so, you know, and I think that's where...

I get criticism from some people in the environmental group who are very anti-anything.