Gilbert Cruz

Hello, Gilbert.

And Madison Malone Kircher, who covers Internet culture for The Times, but more importantly, for the purposes of this conversation, is an Ozian.

She is a wicked enthusiast.

Hello, Madison.

We're going to try not to spoil too much of this movie, but we are going to talk about some specific scenes.

So if you're the type of person for which that is important, keep that in mind.

All right.

To get started, I think listeners should have a sense from all of us of where we stand, Wicked-wise, in relation to Wicked.

How Wicked-ified are we?

How Wicked-pilled are we?

I've never seen the Broadway show, but I've seen the first movie several times.

I enjoyed it.

Saw the second movie.

Listened to the music.

Kyle, we're going to start with you.

What's your relationship to Wicked?

You were familiar with the musical.

Was that the first time that you had seen it?

Before these movies came out, would you say that this was something that you had ever been interested in seeing a film version of?

So now that we've established where each of us stand, I want to sort of focus on these two movies for a bit.