Sunday Special: Wicked, Good?
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What is the significance of 'Wicked: For Good' in relation to its predecessor?
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Welcome to the Sunday special. I'm Gilbert Cruz. Wicked is back. Wicked for Good has just been released. This is film number two. The first movie, simply titled Wicked, came out almost exactly one year ago today. And Wicked for Good is going to be one of the biggest films of the year. Joining me to talk about it is Kyle Buchanan, who covers Hollywood for The Times and who recently profiled Ariana Grande, one of the stars of the film. Hello, Kyle. Hello, Gilbert. And Madison Malone Kircher, who covers Internet culture for The Times, but more importantly, for the purposes of this conversation, is an Ozian. She is a wicked enthusiast.
Yeah, we'll go with that.
Hello, Madison.
I'm thrillified to be here.
We're going to try not to spoil too much of this movie, but we are going to talk about some specific scenes. So if you're the type of person for which that is important, keep that in mind. All right. To get started, I think listeners should have a sense from all of us of where we stand, Wicked-wise, in relation to Wicked. How Wicked-ified are we? How Wicked-pilled are we? I've never seen the Broadway show, but I've seen the first movie several times. I enjoyed it. Saw the second movie. Listened to the music. Kyle, we're going to start with you. What's your relationship to Wicked?
You know, I came to Wicked as something of a virgin. I had never seen it on stage, which made me feel like a little bit of an aberration. But I actually think that gave me a very sort of clean perspective on the movie project itself. And also, this may well be how people come to Wicked in the future because the movies are such a phenomenon that I think a lot of people and future generations will experience this as a movie-first experience.
Madison, you are slightly... Perhaps slightly more or less green, I guess, in this particular... A little different from Kyle here.
You were familiar with the musical.
I am familiar with the musical. I have seen it on the Broadway. When Wicked returned after the pandemic shut down, deep in the pandemic, my little sister called me and said, we have to be there the first night. And we like Wicked, but this is not like a musical that we have a deep... long sisterly tradition of and I said why and she goes the first line Glinda comes down from the bubble and says it's good to see me isn't it and my sister said the crowd is gonna go nuts it will cure the depression we've been sunk into for years and she was right she was really right being there that night was for lack of a better word magical
Was that the first time that you had seen it?
I had seen it in Chicago of all places. And also, I grew up as a young millennial musical theater geek with blonde hair and a gentle curl, as it were. So what I'm saying is I did sing for good at my eighth grade graduation with a girl I literally never saw again after that day. I think this was a formative experience for many. Some people come into your life for a reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's because they can also like hold a pitch.
Before these movies came out, would you say that this was something that you had ever been interested in seeing a film version of?
I mean, been interested. I don't know how closely you followed the production of Wicked, the film. It took decades. Is that right?
Yeah, a very long time.
It was it was sort of like, you know, like Lucy and the football for many of us online. It was like Wicked Movie is coming. Wicked Movie is coming. You get you know, I was working in entertainment journalism. You'd get dribs and drabs of announcements and we'd all sort of be like, yeah, OK, sure. See you when I see you.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the significance of 'Wicked: For Good' in relation to its predecessor?
0:00–5:19
2
How do the hosts' personal experiences with 'Wicked' influence their perspectives?
5:19–16:41
3
What challenges did the filmmakers face in adapting the second act of 'Wicked'?
16:41–19:37
4
What factors contributed to the success of the first 'Wicked' film?
19:37–45:14
5
How does 'Wicked: For Good' reflect current cultural and political themes?
45:14–52:54