Gilbert Cruz

So this was a thing which I think Jimmy Stewart played.

All of them.

All of them, yes.

So we've had these forever, but it really, I think, hit...

this moment where we can easily sort of rattle off the beats like you just did so wonderfully, Lindsay, with those two movies, Ray, which came out in 2004, and Walk the Line, which followed in 2005.

And I'm wondering...

You know, what do you think it is about that very predictable outline, beat for beat movie experience that seems to continue to appeal to people?

Because we're going to talk about some movies that did not work, but there are a lot of these movies that people just go to, they know what they're getting, and they still want to see it.

You did not call it that.

Right.

Because this is musical intellectual property, right?

We think of IP in terms of...

Superhero movies in terms of franchises, but you are selling Bob Dylan IP to an audience, essentially.

Sure.

Absolutely.

I mean, the Academy loves to award actors playing real people just in general.

Right.

If you look from Oppenheimer to Churchill to Lincoln to Margaret Thatcher to whoever.

Right.

But there is this if you just go back and sort of look at Oscar history from the past 30 years, there is this way in which a musical performance is going to.