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Giles Milton

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Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

The Dutch, he said, they pissed and shat on our heads.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And in this manner we lay until such time as we were broken out from top to toe like lepers, having nothing to eat but dirty rice and stinking rainwater.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And so the Dutch treated their prisoners and the native population with absolute contempt and brutality.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And that was to be the story that unfolded for the next few years in the band.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

So when I was researching the book in the India Office archives, I came across the diary of a factor, one of the merchant adventurers based in Bantam by a man called Edmund Scott.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

The fact the English factory had come under attack at one point, the native inhabitants had tried to burn it down, in fact.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And Edmund Scott captured one of these guys.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And in his diary, over the course of about five or six pages, he describes in...

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

gruesome detail how he tortured this man to death.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

First of all, he ripped out his fingernails.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

Then he burned him.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

Then he crushed his bones.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

Then he pulled out his bones.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

Then they blew off bits of his body with dynamite.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

The poor man was still alive.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

They tied him to a stake, got the horrendous white ants and put them into his wounds.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

So this, of course, was an age of great brutality.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

Everyone was brutal.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And when I read that, the fact that he recorded it so matter-of-factly in his diary truly shocked me.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And when one realises that the Dutch were even more brutal than the English, no one comes out well out of this period of history.