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Giles Milton

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Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

Or in the 1600s, they were simply known as the Spiceries.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And some of these islands were known for cinnamon and cloves.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

That's Tanati and Tidore.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

Others are known exclusively for Nutmeg, and that's the Bounder Islands.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And the Dutch really have a big head start on the English.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

They get to the Bounder Islands, first of all, and the first thing they do is build forts on the islands.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

Forts which, I have to say, still exist to this day.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

These crumbling, vast fortifications.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

You find brass cannon lying in the sand in these islands, you know.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

You make it sound a very alluring spot.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

It's absolutely wonderful.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And the point, the kind of key point of the Bander Islands is, as I said, there are six islands and five of them are all quite close together.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And the Dutch realised if they built strategically placed forts, they could control those five islands and therefore have a virtual monopoly on the nutmeg trade.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

But one island, the sixth island in the Bander Islands, Run Island, was about 10 miles from the main group.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And this was the island that the Dutch did not control.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And this island was a real thorn for them because it meant that without them controlling it, if the English controlled it, they would be able to break this monopoly on the nutmeg trade that the Dutch were so desperate to carve out for themselves.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

Jan Keun was the Governor General of the entirety of the Dutch East Indies.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

Yeah, well, I mean, a portrait exists of him and he looks absolutely terrifying.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

He's got these piercing eyes that are staring directly at you.

Empire: World History
359. Spice Wars: The Birth of New York (Ep 2)

And unlike the English, who wanted to try and deal with the native populations of these islands, Jan Koen decided it would be far easier just to massacre the lot, just kill the lot of them and take control of the islands.