Gina Daly

Yeah.

It's like he's trying to learn as he goes along, even though he knows all the bloody hell there is to know about the thing.

And one of the men that he kind of focused on was a guy called Harrison Sullivan.

And he goes by the name H.S.

Tiki Toki.

Yes, that is true.

And there was also, was it Sneeko?

Yeah, another guy who goes by, he's Myron, Myron Gaines as well.

But a lot of the focus was on HS Tiki Taki.

And he kind of started out as a personal trainer.

And then he went from that, he said he was then he decided to train young men how to be, well, young boys, I suppose, how to be men.

And it was just, it was so, it was just really kind of confusing.

Like, I was listening to him and the way he described his mum was as somebody who hates misogyny.

Well, I hope so.

She's a woman.

Hates homophobia, you know, hates any type of racism.

And yet...

This is this man who's like 23, her son, a product of her, who's spewing out all this hatred and just horrific stuff.

But he's kind of excusing it in a real way as I'm a salesman.

I'm just, you know, I don't actually believe this stuff.