Glenn Greenwald

And so...

Yes, I do think one of the there's all sorts of ways to rely to about wars before they happen and while they're undergoing while they're underway.

But one of the main ones is just the question of whether we can, quote unquote, win and what winning even means.

Yeah.

I mean, the fact that you and I can talk the way we're talking, I think sometimes like, I know I take this for granted sometimes too, but you know, when I started writing about politics, I had been a lawyer previously and I wanted to get into journalism and writing about politics.

And one of the reasons I was able to do that was because there was just this blogging software that Google had created called Blogspot.

And it let you, you know, just kind of open a

a blog.

And if you could attract an audience, then you could reach a lot of people.

You could reach an unlimited number of people, in fact.

And the reason that was so innovative and revolutionary was because, you know, 10 years earlier, you had to have a newspaper, which meant you had to have a printing press and a huge newsroom and delivery systems and everything else.

And having digitalized, you know, blogs and information made it so that you could reach a huge number of people with very little investment.

And now you have shows like...

relatively professionalized shows that look like in-studio shows or have the same capability.

They just appear on the internet and are not transmitted over cable or network television, which is how most people watch and get their information anyway.

And the fact that we're able to have these conversations, that we're able to build big audiences, that it kind of gets collective, that we go and listen to each other and talk to each other.

This is, I think it's important not to take for granted what a remarkably revolutionary development that is.

Trump himself has known for a decade that involvement in these kinds of wars destroys presidencies and destroys legacies.

Americans didn't even want this war.

So it would be one thing if Americans were sold on this war, that there were big majorities like there was for the Iraq war, for example, where at least Bush and Cheney spent a year convincing the public to support it, albeit filled with lies and deceit and propaganda.