Glenn Greenwald

And that can take into your 30s or early 40s, which is where JD Vance is in life.

And I don't think that's a very uncommon evolution.

And I do think that you can see a kind of

greater comfort in J.D.

Vance's own skin, the more he kind of becomes convinced about the values he wants to pursue and the things he believes in.

I still think it's going to take a lot of work given that people do have suspicions when somebody has had so many different kinds of manifestations of who they are and what they believe.

But he's obviously very skilled at expressing himself and at communicating.

And he has a lot of time to build that trust that the public needs.

Yeah.

Well, and also like, you know, she plays out that bartender thing, like being a bartender in Manhattan is not exactly like being on the factory line in the middle of like some, you know, Michigan assembly line, the way she likes to pretend it is, you know, like in your mid twenties, you're a bartender.

Most people consider that, you know, quite fun.

I think like, but I think like the Donald Trump appeal is,

illustrates a really important point.

I mean, Donald Trump didn't grow up poor.

His father was quite wealthy.

He was a real estate developer who was quite wealthy.

Nonetheless, the way in which he was kind of a real estate developer, they lived in Queens.

The real estate that they had was not very glamorous.

And Trump was always looking at Manhattan and seeing this kind of glamour that he didn't have.

And when he got to Manhattan, he was always looked down upon because he came from the outer borough in Queens.