Glenn Greenwald

They're, they, they lose a humility because they believe that everything that they're doing is ordained by God.

I think those are very dangerous concepts for app people acting in, in the political realm.

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But the other extreme of just becoming completely irreligious, of becoming completely secular, of having no spiritual component, that too can be very, very dangerous.

Yeah.

You know, I I've known Coleman for a while.

And so I felt like it would be a debate that would be at least in good faith and conducted civilly.

I really like to spy shows where you go on and you're supposed to scream at each other.

And, you know, like who yells loudest or who speaks most.

Maybe I'm too old for that, but I just don't have the the the energy for that, like the motivation to do that.

And I do think it was conducted in that way.

I think he conducted it civilly and I think people responded well to that.

But at the same time, you know, he works for an outlet that is fanatically pro-Israel, that has as its core mission, talking about the free press as founded by Barry Weiss and now incorporated into CBS News where Barry Weiss is the...

The president of the network and the Ellison family, who are the largest single donors to the IDF, friends of the IDF in history, are the owners.

And so they clearly are a project, a Zionist project for Israel.

You know, he's not... I'm free to say whatever I want.

I don't have bosses of that kind.

And he's not... And I think that he was in a difficult position.

I think it was interesting to see that even his own audience reacted...

Usually if you go on someone else's show and you look at their comments on the YouTube page, it's all, oh, you destroyed him, you killed him.