Glenn Greenwald

That was in 2020 what we heard, in 2024 what we heard, because a lot of polls showed that she had this kind of popularity. But I think it was very surface level. Like it's easy to be popular if you've never run for office before, if you haven't really staked out a lot of positions and haven't had to.

That was in 2020 what we heard, in 2024 what we heard, because a lot of polls showed that she had this kind of popularity. But I think it was very surface level. Like it's easy to be popular if you've never run for office before, if you haven't really staked out a lot of positions and haven't had to.

We saw that with Kamala Harris, the way, you know, at first she seemed like she was this cultural phenomenon and then she had to say what she believed in and couldn't and it all kind of collapsed. But, you know, I see it the other way.

We saw that with Kamala Harris, the way, you know, at first she seemed like she was this cultural phenomenon and then she had to say what she believed in and couldn't and it all kind of collapsed. But, you know, I see it the other way.

We saw that with Kamala Harris, the way, you know, at first she seemed like she was this cultural phenomenon and then she had to say what she believed in and couldn't and it all kind of collapsed. But, you know, I see it the other way.

It's like I could see huge numbers of people turning into Michelle Obama's podcast at the start just because, oh, it's something new and we find this person interesting. And then tailing off and she becomes less interesting. The fact that it's starting with these pathetic numbers, yeah. You know, I think it does illustrate what you're saying.

It's like I could see huge numbers of people turning into Michelle Obama's podcast at the start just because, oh, it's something new and we find this person interesting. And then tailing off and she becomes less interesting. The fact that it's starting with these pathetic numbers, yeah. You know, I think it does illustrate what you're saying.

It's like I could see huge numbers of people turning into Michelle Obama's podcast at the start just because, oh, it's something new and we find this person interesting. And then tailing off and she becomes less interesting. The fact that it's starting with these pathetic numbers, yeah. You know, I think it does illustrate what you're saying.

I saw a clip where she and her brother were debating whether or not a hot dog is a sandwich and trying to, you know, it's like, and again, this is what I mean. It's like Michelle Obama lives the ultimate jet setting life. She hangs around billionaires all the time. She's at the most, you know, like ostentatious galas. She's wearing, you know, $50,000 and $100,000 gowns everywhere.

I saw a clip where she and her brother were debating whether or not a hot dog is a sandwich and trying to, you know, it's like, and again, this is what I mean. It's like Michelle Obama lives the ultimate jet setting life. She hangs around billionaires all the time. She's at the most, you know, like ostentatious galas. She's wearing, you know, $50,000 and $100,000 gowns everywhere.

I saw a clip where she and her brother were debating whether or not a hot dog is a sandwich and trying to, you know, it's like, and again, this is what I mean. It's like Michelle Obama lives the ultimate jet setting life. She hangs around billionaires all the time. She's at the most, you know, like ostentatious galas. She's wearing, you know, $50,000 and $100,000 gowns everywhere.

And so then I'm trying to try and be relatable by talking to your brother about such a boring, you know, it's a hot dog, a sandwich. Wow. You think it isn't what this is? I just, no one's going to listen to this. Why would they?

And so then I'm trying to try and be relatable by talking to your brother about such a boring, you know, it's a hot dog, a sandwich. Wow. You think it isn't what this is? I just, no one's going to listen to this. Why would they?

And so then I'm trying to try and be relatable by talking to your brother about such a boring, you know, it's a hot dog, a sandwich. Wow. You think it isn't what this is? I just, no one's going to listen to this. Why would they?

Yeah, there's nothing charismatic about Craig, brother Craig. Although I will say, like, that is why I kind of thought she was being authentic in these complaints and grievances about Barack Obama, because she does seem close to her brother. She does seem to be talking to him in this way that maybe is more intimate.

Yeah, there's nothing charismatic about Craig, brother Craig. Although I will say, like, that is why I kind of thought she was being authentic in these complaints and grievances about Barack Obama, because she does seem close to her brother. She does seem to be talking to him in this way that maybe is more intimate.

Yeah, there's nothing charismatic about Craig, brother Craig. Although I will say, like, that is why I kind of thought she was being authentic in these complaints and grievances about Barack Obama, because she does seem close to her brother. She does seem to be talking to him in this way that maybe is more intimate.

She'd be willing to say things to him that she wouldn't be willing to say to a generalized interviewer. So I don't know. Maybe that's what they thought was going to be the appeal of the podcast. But it just seems very narcissistic, like just these two siblings talking about themselves and their relationship. I don't know.

She'd be willing to say things to him that she wouldn't be willing to say to a generalized interviewer. So I don't know. Maybe that's what they thought was going to be the appeal of the podcast. But it just seems very narcissistic, like just these two siblings talking about themselves and their relationship. I don't know.

She'd be willing to say things to him that she wouldn't be willing to say to a generalized interviewer. So I don't know. Maybe that's what they thought was going to be the appeal of the podcast. But it just seems very narcissistic, like just these two siblings talking about themselves and their relationship. I don't know.