Glennon Doyle

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the pieces if peace is the end and peace has to be the means and I also just want to say this because I think it's very important for the three of us to really like embody this understanding too is that there has been an extraordinary amount of affirmation related to the toil and the holding up of plates in all three of our lives like

The three of us work extraordinarily hard.

We're holding up a lot of plates in the air.

And there's a thing that has come from it, right?

Like we have, I have one extraordinary things.

I've done extraordinary things.

This podcast has done extraordinary things, but there has been a cost.

And I think that the cost that gets paid, we can easily ignore because we start to prioritize

all of these other things that we can claim as affirmations or the positive sides or whatever that the world is telling us because this is the capitalism, right?

It's like the world that we live in right now.

So the kind of bravery sister for you to want to stop the paradigm for yourself and to put things down that does not belong to you.

It is like what we kind of need to keep doing.

Yeah, so we have, our oldest is now in college, but became in high school obsessed with plants. So he, his whole room was, there was 30 plants in there. We called them our grand plants. It was exhausting. I didn't ever, I always had to be on guard when he had a sleepover. Well, when did he, how did he get into plants? We don't really know. He's an interesting kid.