Glennon Doyle

It's going to be okay.

We can do hard things.

We'll see you back here soon.

Bye.

We Can Do Hard Things is an independent production podcast brought to you by Treat Media.

Treat Media makes art for humans who want to stay human.

And you can follow us at We Can Do Hard Things on Instagram and at We Can Do Hard Things Show on TikTok.

We Can Do Hard Things is an independent production podcast brought to you by Treat Media.

Treat Media makes art for humans who want to stay human.

And you can follow us at We Can Do Hard Things on Instagram and at We Can Do Hard Things Show on TikTok.

Welcome back to We Can Do Hard Things.

Before we dive in today, pod squad, we want to send you off into this holiday season with so much love.

Our hope for you is peaceful, cozy, slow days with your people, full of warmth, gentleness, and rest.

This, however, will be our last episode of the year.

We're taking two weeks off and then we will return on the first Tuesday of the new year, January 6th.

Today, we're sending you into the season with something special.

a conversation I had recently at the Kripalu Center in Massachusetts, hosted by the brilliant, warm, and deeply wise Iset Rose.

She is an artist, a healer, a thought leader, and truly one of the most grounding presences I've sat with.

We got to the heart of so many themes we've been circling lately on this pod in a room full of beautiful, beautiful people,

We talked about how to not abandon our own agency, how to stay with ourselves in the hard moments, how to let the old scripts burn so something new and truer can grow, how to reimagine our relationships in ways that deepen connection, how menopause and midlife are horrific and also somehow quite spiritually important, and how enoughness can feel like death when we've been raised inside of capitalism.