Gordon Carrera

That's right.

I mean, what an allegation.

It is.

Of all the things we've looked at, this is amongst the most serious and the darkest.

But we are looking at this issue of whether it is indeed possible that during the 1970 World Cup, England's heroic goalkeeper, Gordon Banks, could have been

somehow poisoned by someone else when he fell ill after a quote-unquote quiet beer in his hotel room at the Guadalajara Hilton before a big game which led to him not playing, England falling to a dramatic defeat after some goalkeeping errors, it's said, by his stand-in, dashing the hopes of a nation but increasing the political popularity of

of a repressive Brazilian dictatorship, which, as we've heard, the CIA might have at least plausibly had the motive to want to support.

That is the theory.

And with us again to explore this idea, we have Gabriel Gatehouse, presenter of Foul Play, an audible podcast, but available wherever you get your podcasts, exploring this idea the CIA might have been behind all of this.

Welcome, Gabriel.

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So, Gabriel, let's explore a little bit what the real evidential chain is for this claim.

What made you think that there could be something to this other than it just being a kind of idea?

Yeah.

The editors would be like, yeah.

Yeah, and we're not going to give away everything that's in the podcast because it's a great journey and it's worth listening to.

But I guess there's the claim.