Gordon Carrera

But let's get to the crucial question, which is that it is widely seen as an intelligence failure.

Now, you can get into all the details of this.

There is one crucial quote, which I think sums it up, which is from...

none other than the CIA's analytic division in August of 1978.

These are not the mini McCloskeys.

These are the pre-McCloskeys.

The pre-grandfather?

I don't know what the- McCloskey senior.

McCloskey seniors.

But they wrote August 1978, Iran is not in a revolutionary or even a pre-revolutionary situation.

They missed it.

That doesn't age well.

I mean, but it's a very interesting example, isn't it, of a failure to see it.

And I think, you know, we could spend quite a lot of time arguing, you know, there are other reports which suggest some people didn't see it.

And we will.

We don't.

We can if you want.

But I think the more interesting question is fundamentally, you know, some people saw something happening.

You know, there's some debate about that.

But I think the interesting thing is why didn't they see it?