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Gordon Carrera

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

So the existing agent says he's got a new subsource and has this vague report, and it is vague, saying that biological or chemical munitions could be with military units and ready for firing within 20 to 45 minutes.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

Where it exactly comes from, there's still a little bit of mystery about it.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

Some people said, oh, someone overheard in a taxi.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

Another person said it was like a notice on a notice board saying, you should be ready for this.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

And even MI6, when they're asked about it by British intelligence analysts,

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

are less clear about the exact source than the analysts would have expected you know it's later said that they were unusually vague and unhelpful about what the exact source so you've already got something which it's a little bit unclear where it's come from and there's some specific problems with it as well for instance is it biological or chemical weapons it's not actually clear and also i mean someone when you dig down into it what does it mean

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

the munitions could be fired, the WMD, within 20 to 45 minutes.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

As someone puts it, well, if it actually takes 45 minutes to move a munition from a storage place to a unit to fire it, that's actually not that impressive.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

If it's already with the unit, then what does that actually tell you?

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

It's not that impressive.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

And actually, they end up changing it from 20 to 45 to 45, which is also a bit weird because they think 20 sounds too quick.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

which I find a kind of odd thing to have done.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

So it actually changes.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

There's also none of the kind of collateral or corroborating intelligence you might want to go with it.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

Which unit, which types of weapons, where is the WMD being produced, by whom?

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

You know, there's no surrounding intercept or anything to support it.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

So it's a kind of quite vague statement.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

But the thing is, they're putting together this dossier,

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

The emails are whizzing back and forth.

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156. The Road to Iraq: Tony Blair's Campaign for War (Ep 4)

People are kind of pleading for more information.