Gordon Carrera

Yeah.

Now, one or two, particularly one, had been there for a long time, even back to the first Gulf War.

and have been able to supply very useful information on things like Iraq's air defenses, aspects of the military.

But the problem is he, this source, plus the one or two others they've got, didn't really have direct access into the weapons of mass destruction program.

And this is the problem.

What they start doing is asking these sources, can you find out anything?

Can you get anything from new sources or from other sources?

And what you get is your agents then look for their own agents.

So you get a chain and it's a source recruits a subsource.

And in some cases in Iraq, the intelligence comes from sub-sources.

So there's like a chain of people who are passing information on

Because words gone out from the main agent saying, does anyone know anything about WMD?

And that is one of the weaknesses because immediately you've got a problem with that, haven't you?

What's so interesting is this period, August, September 2002, MI6 is really keen to get new sources or subsources to bolster the case which is going into this dossier, which is due at the end of September.

and kind of firm up the conclusions.

And so you get a couple of very important new sources.

It's worth just talking about two of those.

The one that becomes most famous in the UK produces a report which refers to 45 minutes.

And this will become, after the war, very controversial.

So this is a subsource.