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Gordon Carrera

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

You know, which the assumption, I don't think it is very conspiratorial to think the FRU basically burned his office down and tried to destroy the evidence.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

So this inquiry is running and getting pretty hot.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

And, you know, Stevens is not onto Scappaticci, but Scappaticci is worried that he will be unearthed as part of this inquiry.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

That, you know, stuff is coming out about what FRU and what British military intelligence was being done.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

And so at one point, and we'll come back to this, a senior British military figure actually meets Scappaticci to reassure him that he's going to be okay, his name's going to come out, and that's going to prove to be another problem.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

Meanwhile, outside of Scappaticci's small world, you've got a ceasefire, 94 breaks down briefly because both sides are realizing they're reaching a stalemate.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

Eventually, in 1998, you're going to get the Good Friday Agreement.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

Also, that means Scappaticci is less valuable and less needed.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

And so the army are thinking, well, maybe we'll try and get him out of Northern Ireland now and kind of get him away from everything.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

And they discuss his relocation with something called MI5 Central Resettlement Unit.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

This is from the official report to State Knife, which the CRU, which I don't know much about, but they're looking at the options about how to

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

get rid of him and you know also kind of protect him from any legal repercussions and investigations which which might come i mean there's even talk about the army about staging a farewell dinner you know to say goodbye to him as he goes although it's not clear whether this actually took place but kind of bizarre thing to do but i guess it shows his importance that doesn't seem that bizarre to me yeah doesn't it i mean i i guess not i'm just thinking of the context of

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

But Scab?

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

Yeah, you're not talking about a kind of Gordievsky or a Tolkachev kind of figure, are you?

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

You're talking about, I don't know, it's the equivalent of having someone you've run inside of ISIS or Al-Qaeda.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

I mean, maybe, maybe if they're the right kind of person.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

That's probably a bit of a stretch, you're right.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

They do relocate him briefly, but then he just on his own goes back to Northern Ireland without telling them.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

And so, I mean, I love this fact.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

It was only due to the fact he was seen driving a vehicle in Belfast that MI5 CRU became aware he'd left Great Britain and the mainland.