Gordon Carrera

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Well, last time we left off with a discussion

I mean, really, who Epstein was, this theory, which has different flavors to it, of how he may have been connected to or working for an intelligence service.

And we, in particular, went deep on what I think is the most, maybe most common, but certainly the most salacious version of that theory.

which is that he was working probably for the Mossad, Israel's foreign intelligence service, to run essentially a blackmail ring out of some of his properties, gathering compromise on influential politicians and business leaders.

And so we went into that theory.

I think we both offered our view that that theory doesn't hold

a lot of water and there's a lot of reasons to look at the risk reward calculation that a foreign intelligence service would have to do when evaluating him and kind of saying, this doesn't make a lot of sense, put aside also the fact that there aren't any facts to back it up.

But we left, Gordon, with me reading some messages from former CIA officers who were asked this question of, if you put the criminality aside,

Which is.

Which is.

If you put the criminality aside, is he an interesting target for an intelligence agency?

And I think this time we're going to go deeper to evaluate, you know, how he could have been valuable to an intelligence service.

And more importantly, whether there's any evidence that he actually did work with or for an intelligence service.

Accomplice.

I mean, criminal accomplice.

I'm in the wrong genre, Gordon.

Scientific publishing, David.

Who would have thought?