Gordon Carrera

from Frew and other places suggesting that it was him, but that's not documentary evidence or confirmation.

The agreement he has, including with the IRA, is that they're just going to deny it.

The Sinn Fein leader, Gerry Adams, puts out a statement saying people who say he's an agent are being played by British intelligence.

You know, 12th of May, Scappaticci goes to speak to the Anderson Town News and he says, according to the press, I'm guilty of 40 murders.

But I'm telling you this now, after this is settled, I want to meet the families of the people that they say I murdered.

And when I do, I will stand in front of them and say, I didn't do it.

I had no part in it.

And I will look them in the eye when I do it.

I mean, fantastic.

I mean, he even swears an affidavit.

I mean, he even swears in front of a solicitor an affidavit, which is a kind of risky move because that's perjury.

But then, I mean, but this is the bit that I think is so interesting.

He might have gone away with it.

I mean, because I think at that point people are like, well, he says, she says, you know, there's not much way of proving it.

But then it's the journalists who'd met him in the car park back in 1993, you know, for that Cook Report thing about Mark McGuinness.

They recognise it's the same voice as the guy they met in the car who called himself, you know, Jack or whatever.

And that that is the guy now denying it, who told them all about the inner workings of the IRA.

So July 2003, the recording of that 1993, the secret recording they'd made of him, is put out by the journalists.

And they reveal that at the time they'd been told by the security forces to do everything they could to stop his name coming out as he was such an important source.

Yeah, he ends up a bit of time in Scotland, it sounds like.