Gordon Carrera

And we should say that these are emails which were hacked and leaked.

It's thought potentially by the Iranians, aren't they?

In some of these cases, the easy way to describe what he's doing is, for example, there's a pretty significant natural gas deal that's been struck between Israel and Egypt.

where the Israelis are going to actually ship natural gas in this field off of Haifa through Egypt.

And it would be easy to say that Epstein, looking at the emails, oh, is he helping to broker this deal?

Well, not really.

He's kind of involved in helping to set up.

There's obviously like a decade of negotiations and back and forth meetings between a huge number of Israeli officials, Egyptians, bankers,

And Epstein is kind of involved in little bits and pieces along the way, helping to arrange meetings and offer advice to Ehud Barak.

So he's involved in this kind of political sphere, security sphere.

but very much in the background and very much as a kind of informal advisor and fixer for Ehud Barak.

Again, in this kind of social broker, making connections vibe, he tries to help Ehud Barak establish a back channel to Russian officials during the Syrian civil war with the idea that that might help

the Russians to convince Assad to step down.

Of course, nothing came of it, but Epstein was kind of helping Barack get meetings set up by leveraging some of Epstein's contacts in Russia.

So again, this kind of role as a fixer that he's playing for Barack.

So he's kind of using this network.

Again, it's very Robert Maxwell-esque, I guess, in some ways, as he's kind of using his

huge Rolodex to make connections and to bridge networks, which is, you know, a valuable thing for Ehud Barak or potentially in theory for a spy service.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, I think we both probably violently agree, Gordon, it's very unlikely that Epstein was using the sort of sex trafficking ring as a big blackmail operation.