Gordon Carrera

Yeah.

Frank Hegarty tells the Brits about this.

They seize the weapons in Ireland and so Frank Hegarty then inevitably has to go into hiding in England.

Now, this is the interesting bit.

He's in a safe house in England, but he regularly calls his mother back in Northern Ireland and it's claimed that Martin McGuinness goes around to his mother's house and tells her to tell Frank that it's safe for him to come back to Derry.

And so he ends up slipping away from his handlers and bad decision, goes back and soon after his body is found in a country lane.

And there's a very good book about this, Four Shots in the Night by Henry Hemming.

And this is what Scappaticci is talking to the journalists about because Martin McGuinness' kind of role in allegedly luring back Frank Hegarty to his death.

You know, Scappaticci says of McGuinness to the reporters, he's ruthless.

He has the final say on informers and whether that person lives or dies.

I mean, it's a kind of bizarre thing, isn't it?

A bizarre conversation.

Yeah, I think it is that thing about power, respect, hates being disrespected, wants to be in the action.

I mean, I think that was what led him back into the IRA after his internment in the 70s and into British intelligence, and I think is leading him now.

So it's that kind of same character which just defines him.

But anyway, army intelligence learn about him going to see the journalists.

They're kind of furious.

They're worried.

They tell the producers confidentially that the man they've met is a very important agent and he mustn't be identified.

Although at this point, they don't know his name anyway.