Gordon Carrera

But, and this is the important bit, he doesn't know that they are secretly recording him.

So they've got a kind of recording device in the car and they're going to take this conversation.

It is.

I mean, which I think goes to his psychology and his personality, don't you think?

I mean, it's back to the kind of angry guy under pressure, you know, does something stupid.

I guess that's the thing.

So the conversation goes in different directions.

But one focus is allegations that Martin McGuinness was linked to the death of a man called Frank Hegarty.

who had been an IRA quartermaster.

Briefly, in 1986, Hegarty had been a Frew agent, who'd been an agent for the British, and he'd provided details of arms shipments, which had come from Colonel Gaddafi's Libya to the IRA, and which were being hidden in Ireland.

Because there'd been this interesting, it's another bit of the story, maybe one day we'll do, which is about this kind of link between Gaddafi's Libya and the IRA.

Which we should remind people is no less than Harrison Ford playing a CIA analyst, playing, it's not quite David McCloskey, is it?

It's Jack Ryan.

Yeah.

Very loosely, given it was made when you were a small child.

Apart from that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We could spend time talking about the US and the IRA, but I think that's another subject which will also take us down some interesting alleyways.

But back to this, Colonel Gaddafi was how we got there, which was his arms being hidden in Ireland.