Gordon Carrera

And I think this is where, again, in theory, Epstein could make more sense.

I mean, there's people that are called social brokers, right?

So it's someone who agrees to...

create a scenario where an introduction looks casual.

So, for example, something that the agency might do, let's say in Hollywood, would be to develop a relationship with a big Hollywood producer, director, actor, and when they throw a party...

to get the right people invited so that a contact could be made between the agency and you know and a potential target for foreign intelligence right so there's there's social brokers they're assessment collectors so people who collect information on on targets and help assess them for development or recruitment right so this could be someone who has access to huge networks of

other humans and can say, okay, who's having an affair?

Who's secretly gay?

So that an eventual case officer, when they're making their approach or target could sort of understand where the cracks in that person might be that they could exploit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And the other one, and I love this term, is a deep pockets guy, which is how these former case officers will refer to it.

It's a deep pockets guy, right?

It's an access agent with deep pockets.

Yeah.

And a lot of times these deep pockets guys would be

you know, a rich person who's bored and who, you know, wants to do something that to them feels more meaningful, right, than just making money.

And so in this case, it could be, we've got some equipment we need moved across a border or from point A to point B, could you help us?

Could you loan us a boat or a plane?

You know, Epstein had both of those.