Gordon Carrera

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Wow.

It's wild, isn't it?

Oh, it's certainly played big over here, obviously relating partly to the royal family.

The prince formerly known as Andrew, who certainly had a social acquaintance with Jeffrey Epstein at various points, although he's obviously denied any role in criminality.

But that question about intelligence services and the links to Epstein is one that's kind of moved, I suppose, from the fringe to the mainstream.

And I think it is one which is important to look at in a kind of sensible, rest is classified way rather than in a conspiratorial way.

And what we're not going to do, though, we should say as well, is we're not going into the whole...

bigger drama of who is or isn't implicated in the files, whose names are in there, how they knew Jeffrey Epstein.

We're not going into the connections with any royals or with President Trump.

We're not going deep into some of the questions about whether he killed himself or the legal criminal dimensions to this.

Instead, I think we're taking a specific lens, which is to look at that question you posed about whether it's plausible

as some have claimed, that there are links between Jeffrey Epstein and the intelligence world.

I think it is also worth saying that we're not going to be focusing deeply on the victims and their stories, but I think it is important to acknowledge upfront at this point the terrible suffering that some people endured at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein and some of those around him.

which is truly awful and horrific.

And some of those details really are horrific.