Gordon Carrera

So even though we're not going to be delving deep into those stories, we just think it's important to acknowledge how awful it is and some of the things that happened around him and to people who were used and abused by him really were.

Yeah, we should say, I think we'll come back a little bit later to the precise source and scale of his wealth, because there is some mystery around that.

And that is part of some of those claims about intelligence services links.

But yeah, we'll come back to that.

The money and the fact he's managing wealth for incredibly wealthy people is

means he's incredibly well connected.

And he builds on those connections, doesn't he?

Not just in the financial world, but across politics, business, even academia and entertainment and wider sectors.

Yeah, which Wexner has said he, I think, regrets, but they're kind of confirmed that he had those relationships and that he did hand over some of that influence to Jeffrey Epstein.

Yes, and Ghislaine Maxwell is also going to be an important part of our story.

And again, we're going to come back to her a bit later because she's a fascinating character in her own right and her father is a very interesting figure.

But she becomes the kind of girlfriend, doesn't she, of Jeffrey Epstein at this point in the 1990s and a close confidant and companion from then onwards.

That's right, because he's a really interesting figure and who certainly did have ties to the intelligence world.

I think that is also part of the theory and the claim about Jeffrey Epstein is that link, if you like, through Robert Maxwell, through Ghislaine and into Jeffrey Epstein.

But that friendship which starts around 1991, which is when Robert Maxwell, the father, dies,

Ghislaine is moving to New York and she becomes friends with Jeffrey Epstein and also connects him to more people in turn as Jeffrey Epstein builds up these circles of connections with business leaders, scientists, academics, and the like.

Yeah, exactly.

And they've denied any role in the criminality, but it's acknowledged that they knew him.

This was also in these kind of

glamorous properties, I guess he had.